Apparently I can no longer make status updates. It seems to be anything I do now, disliked by the admins becomes some sort of action taken against me. I can't make status updates with slander to their intelligence but I can create posts regarding their illogical and unrational state of mind. I can have my shoutbox messages removed now for shouting something that is not in the admin's favor but posts go untouched. Man, I love how Daroo suggests one second "multiple viewpoints are great" but give it time and action is taken against you. I may not use either of the 2 features provided by this service to express my viewpoint. It wasn't the shoutbox spam or the status update spam that took away this old PopMs value, it was the actions that now conflicts with what Daroo said originally. PopMs standards were different (much better) back when only Daroo maintained them, now it's fallen into the same downward spiral like this community wants to catch up to PopRe just that badly.
-The above paragraph suggests there is an intellectual conflict of interest regarding behavior and rules in a personality which is a double standard. It also suggests that PopMs is trying to become another PopRe.
A second conflict I notice is the failure to reason (multiple meanings being implied here). It makes those trying to be "professional" quite foolish. Truth be told, this is PopRe's biggest hindrance. I think this whole "new" foundation within this community is a huge mistake and grows day by day. What's happened is that there is now an imbalance of control + power + professionalism to appease a majority or protect a majority vs freedom + expression + variety to remove the uptight attitude these tiny communities possess. The AsG community and atmosphere is an uptight residence for those who think themselves superior through maturity, hence the isolation of their community. This, however, is not what this potentially growing community needs. There needs to be a balance, a middle ground, something I was trying to hold down alone but was neglected and quickly outnumbered 3 AsG to 1 because all the AsG are uptight. It is very difficult to tackle an issue or standardize fair organization for a many more member-base if everyone else is in favor of promoting the same uptight atmosphere of that in a tiny AsG community.
-Explains an imbalance of freedom and control where the atmosphere to be uptight and controlling is winning.
When I was on the team, what all harm did I do? I stressed my points because there was a failure to see the opposing viewpoint. Sometimes I raged, but did I have just cause to do so? Does my viewpoint seem reasonable or at all possible to feel based on those actions taken, even now? Even now, ask yourselves what can be better about this community and can you make that happen? Can you fit yourselves into my shoes or can I only fit myself into yours? (metaphor in case you non-native english speaking tards can't figure it out)
I know Stats bought this new forum design, but does that automatically make him right in the double standards of PopMs and his behavior? If you really want to dismiss this generous viewpoint and battle bans vs truth, like Inca does, so be it. PopMs will become nothing more than a shadow and a forgotten memory. Daroo doesn't have time to spare on maintaining the community in a neutral and fair design, so it falls to one of PopRe's most uptight individuals and Stats whom I can't specifically define yet. Isn't there just so much harmony here? Friends stab each other in the back, not only with words but actions too! This must be what sets PopRe and PopMs apart, the fact that Inca has no friends and PopMs must maintain AsG integrity.
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Posted 30 November 2011 - 09:07
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Posted 30 November 2011 - 20:18
Flame, on 30 November 2011 - 09:07 , said:
Apparently I can no longer make status updates.
Flame, on 30 November 2011 - 09:07 , said:
I have no clue what any of you are saying and I don't want to use my built in translator to figure it out for me, but I do know this community is becoming shit. I'm sure it's in your best interests to fix it
Flame, on 30 November 2011 - 09:07 , said:
was trying to hold down alone but was neglected and quickly outnumbered 3 AsG to 1
Flame, on 30 November 2011 - 09:07 , said:
It makes those trying to be "professional" quite foolish.
Flame, on 30 November 2011 - 09:07 , said:
Even now, ask yourselves what can be better about this community and can you make that happen?
Flame, on 30 November 2011 - 09:07 , said:
Friends stab each other in the back, not only with words but actions too!
Flame, on 30 November 2011 - 09:07 , said:
I know Stats bought this new forum design, but does that automatically make him right in the double standards of PopMs and his behavior?
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Posted 30 November 2011 - 21:22
DAroo, on 30 November 2011 - 20:18 , said:
Sorry, we forgot to enable it again.
My fault, sorry :/
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Posted 01 December 2011 - 05:51
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You can't really "fix" community, you can't "fix" people. Hitler tried it and failed miserably, so I think we better stay away from it.
I don't agree or disagree here. There are more efficient and beneficial ways of going about taking these actions you (as a collective team) have taken. To show you what I precisely mean, here's an example of what happened and an example of what could have been done:
What Happened: I logged into PopMs and checked some of the new posts created by Apnea. The one I read into looked very negative to me. I took this reaction from my first post to the other 3 unread topics. I read into the second post and read more negativity, at which I reacted against it even more so. After reading all 4 new posts, I was quite pissed about what was said. I confronted Apnea on facebook (conversation still saved) to witch she continued more negativity. It was my conclusion that she was preventing me from becoming an admin of the team and her reactions to what I was saying supported it. Having felt held back, I was quite pissed and raged. You then "punish" me by stripping away the moderator/contributor position I was apart of after giving u an ultimatum. You, Daroo, didn't like it (based on what was said) and took action without knowing whether or not I would leave on my own.
What you should have done was intervened into the disagreement in a neutral mindset and let me calm down. What you could have done is prevented one person who wants the community to be successful to become someone who don't want to help it. You also could have prevented yourself wasted time on an issue not handled correctly, value time you can't gain back. You increased the number of discontent participants by 1.
I did moderation quite fairly. I was looking for players, found Semi who has been on inactively. I was looking through the website and the downloads and all the features and aiding where I thought it needed more. Not everyone possesses the same talents. Not everyone thinks alike. If everyone thought alike then there would be no need for more than 1 admin/mod cause you'd already know what happens next. This makes me unique because Daroo/Apnea/Stats thinks alike. There's now a disregard for variety especially when there's hostility between opposing viewpoints and the viewpoint with less views is blamed for this hostility. That's what makes each action unjust and unfair. The first cause was incorrectly handled. This paved way to more hostility. What you don't see is that it takes 2 to fight. When an Admin has the power to shut the other player up, they (ab)use it. Now I look like the criminal who expresses dissatisfaction and must watch as actions are done to me, out of my control. Do you not understand?
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Not "professional", it's just all about keeping things in one piece. "professional" is boring and not human friendly.
See, this is an opinion and can't be corrected unless you were to change my opinion. I understand keeping everything in one piece, but what's happening, Daroo, is that you don't have time to watch over the forum. This causes the multiplayer platform and forums to become 2 separate things, where you neglect the forums. That, in my opinion, isn't the way to go, especially when you invade the disagreement with guns blazing against one side who could very well be in the right. My opinion remains on the term "professional" because that's what Apnea's personality and persona is. She can't operate under anything less than professional. You did say that professional is boring and not human friendly, well truth is, look at how apena is with players "boring" and "not human friendly". That's my justification for this opinion.
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Yes, because you failed with finding not AsG supporters.
It's not simple to find someone who wants to contribute time to something they don't even think will happen. TeratO asked for brainstorming and wanted to plan out the construction of this community under your leadership but you skipped that and went straight into the construction regardless. TeratO backed out. Other contributors rarely visit this community. So who is there, other than AsG who wants to actually speak with you about the modification of this community? Hell, Nefarius doesn't even believe in this anymore. Bye bye.... It also doesn't justify a 3v1 AsG triumph though. That's like feeling special because you 3v1 a dude on PP and won, that's the equivalent to what happened in these past events. Remember, you're suppose to be the mature community, the community that maintains intelligence. You should see that this becomes an easily biased community and players have lost hope.
So yeah, blame me for not finding someone else because it's easy to lay the blame on someone you have backed into a corner. I wonder where the rest of your contributors are because you tossed me out the second you saw the best shot you had. Seems the "AsG" dream is still on-going. Remember, blame me, cause I ll take the blame for it. In the end though, you'll only have yourself to blame for the failure to realize sooner rather than later that you were wrong. When you launch your multiplayer platform, it's success is strictly based on Daroo's contribution. Forgive me for raging because I see that you're doing everything as inefficiently as possible. Your community. You, Stats and Apnea can man-handle this. Idk how many dead populous communities there are and how many of them have been forgotten. We'll just add one more to the list.
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All we need is a program to play populous!
ALL WE NEEDED WAS FOR THE POPMS MP TO HAVE:
Launching feature,
Cheat protection,
Game Modification Application,
Member Base,
Area to Chat (lobby),
Huts,
Maps,
Login System,
Ability to play populous through the client
I mean, THE ONLY THING YOU NEEDED WAS THE BASICS FOR A BETA TEST AND LAUNCH. Don't give me any of this "All we need is a program to play populous" because you've been dicking around when it comes to doing this in steps. You wanted to create a PopRe competitor that launched as "better than PopRe service". 1. Your community has died 2. Your "team" is just 3 players now, that had many more at one point 3. You had contributors but they abandoned you because of you 4. Most of AsG doesn't even access this, you don't even have AsG's interest in this because if you did, they'd show more support than "Inactive" 5. I was actively involved but you threw me out.
Who's really to blame? I'd wonder why there's absolutely no motivation, but I know the answer. How long will it take you to realize what's wrong here? I see it and I gave many hints, but please just ignore me like you always do. You don't really want this to succeed so let the crazy anger driven lunatic of the community be just that. Here's motivation for you: Look at PopRe and look at Inca. How many people hate this new league and ask for changes? 3/4 a community couldn't change Inca's mind. How many people have now given up on expressing themselves about Inca? Damn near everyone. Ask yourself why. That should be your motivation to not be PopRe.
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They stab each other in the back just because of different viewpoints or official titles? I'd say it's foolish..
My opinion. I felt that Apnea stabbed me in the back. I asked to be admin because I felt that my word held more leverage. What it would do is give me a disillusion of "power" to convince people to join the team and back up my word more when having a conversation, argument, disagreement with whoever. I concluded that Apnea was the admin holding me back from gaining this based on what you had said to me. Apnea couldn't see me working as an administrator because I would need to be "professional" (Please refer this to the paragraph about professionalism) which she knew I could never do, not a professional the same way she is. I felt that what was said is what is being said in the admin section and because of her words (given that all admins needed to agree to a new administrator) she would not accept me. With this being said, everything is an opinion based on ALL the facts presented here. I feel stabbed in the back multiple times now, not only this expressed incident.
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That's right, you pay 150$ and you're always right in popms! Do you want my account number?
No, I don't need to pay anything to be right, instead, I ll let you show me just how far you need to go to show how valuable being right by use of currency is. You're right when you pay 150$ and you're always right in PopMs. Let this continue to run the way it is and watch just how lost that 150$ becomes. So please, be my guest and show me no matter how ridiculous this gets. In the end, it's the unreasoning attitude that is your downfall. Good Night
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Posted 27 January 2012 - 18:50
Gotta love deleting status updates with profanity. It makes it so much more meaning to return and re-post it when it's offensive to someone. Thanx
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Posted 30 January 2012 - 19:41
Oh and I gotta hand it to ya, the -11 reputation you've given me is really funny. Why? Simple... PopMs fucks over someone on their team then they speak out and PopMs takes action. PopMs = PopRe well done on spending your countless hours to duplicate something that already exists Daroo. You should feel proud watching your hard work be a complete waste. Congratz
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Posted 25 March 2012 - 05:01
Gotta mention the fact I have 11 dislikes "Again" because I "used profanity" in response to a poorly thought out and developed decision hindering the progress of this community. Another year where there is no indisputable evidence that this project will get done. Well done community, you're obviously the most constructive crew of fucktards I've ever seen....
